You know what would be awesome in Batman 3?

[seriousfic]

Aside from the first five minutes being Harvey Dent escaping from the asylum Batman and Gordon stashed him in? A new maniac named Harley Quinn has become the Susan Atkins to the Joker's Charles Manson. She continues to carry out his terrorist attacks and read his messages on the air, while he's tucked away in Arkham. It gets so bad that Batman goes to confront the Joker (who up to this point hasn't been seen).

A Dr. Quinzel leads Batman through the rogue's gallery of baddies (Y HELO THAR CILLIAN MURPHY), giving him the Hannibal-the-Cannibal spiel about how he can't touch the Joker, can't approach the bars, hey remember that time he ate a nurse's face, etc etc. Finally Batman is in front of Joker.

"I came here to talk."

There's a sort of battle of wits, with the Joker mostly in the shadows. And he's completely the killer from Seven (not Kevin Spacey, just someone that'd make you go "HOLY SHIT, IS THAT JOHNNY DEPP?" or whatever). There's been no publicity about this scene, it should be the equivalent of Nick Fury in Iron Man. Eventually Batman gets a vital clue and leaves. Then Dr. Quinzel comes in and begins taking off her glasses, pulling her hair into pig-tails, her voice getting more and more high-pitched until she calls the Joker "puddin" and you realize, HOLY SHIT, IT'S HARLEY QUINN!

The only other thing I could see would be to wait twenty years and bring Joker back as a Dark Knight Returns sorta thing.

Comments

[black13.livejournal.com]

I think they should keep the Joker out of this incarnation of the Batman franchise, and do the rest of Batman's rogues' gallery.

Next movie should be: Catwoman. Every movie is improved by featuring an athletic woman in a skintight catsuit. (Note that I said "athletic," not "bulimic.")

[seriousfic.livejournal.com]

Next movie should be: Catwoman. Every movie is improved by featuring an athletic woman in a skintight catsuit. (Note that I said "athletic," not "bulimic.")

The hard part would be fitting in a second villain -- because Catwoman isn't the "AND NOW I RULE THE WORLD!" type who Batman can foil. Unless she said "AND NOW I WILL GET A MOCHA LATTE!" and he foiled that. But that'd make him come off as kind of a douche -- and not having it feel like a redux of Batman Returns. In fact, avoiding a redux of Batman Returns would be hard on all counts. It was pretty definitive, in its own warped way...

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Also: Talia shows up to Have Words with Bats.

[seriousfic.livejournal.com]

It's funny, because both yours and black13's suggestions show up in my ongoing Batman Begins fic.

Course, you could name any Batverse character and I could say "Yup, in the fic."

I guess what I'm getting at is, Nolanverse!Talia would be utterly badass when compared to Comicverse!Talia.

Batman: Let me guess. This is the part where you waffle around before deciding to run back to your father.

Talia: You killed my father.

Batman: Oh. Guess I'm shit out of luck, then.

Talia: Quite.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Actually, according to the Nolanverse interpretation of Ra's, Talia would now BE Ra's.

Which is why I long for her more than I do Catwoman, or even Huntress(babs is kinda the main reason I got into DC comics in the first place, so, you know...) because, by the rules he created, she'd be the badass supervillain with hordes of minions.

[seriousfic.livejournal.com]

You know, I get what you're saying, and it would be cool to have ninjas again (since they're the only guys who can canonically stand a chance against Batman... other than dogs, I guess) but without the X-TREME SHAKYCAM ACTION!!!! but all I can think about is that one episode of Batman Beyond where Ra's Al Ghul transferred his mind into Talia's body.

Terry (Nuevo Batman): Lady, you are seriously creeping me out.

Old Bruce: You? She kissed me.

[milleniumrex.livejournal.com]

I've been reading Huntress: Year One, and I actually think she's the ideal villain for the next Batman movie. She's a vigilante who takes it much further than Batman does, and is actually pretty unbalanced when she debuts. And with all the corruption and mafia stuff in Gotham, she would definitely set her sights on the city. You can play her off against Black Mask as the new head of Gotham's mob(classic black mask, not Skully McStabbystab)

[seriousfic.livejournal.com]

No, that's Red Hood, or even Catwoman (depending on how far you want to take the Big Badness). Red Hood as Batman's partner-in-training who turns evil... that would be badass. And a nice way around the Robin problem. There would never actually be a kid running around in bright colors saying "Holy rusted metal, Batman!"

[milleniumrex.livejournal.com]

Nice. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but the current mini makes Huntress look like a Punisher-type vigilante. Is this character rape? I know she's really not like this in Birds of Prey right now, but I never read her early stuff.

Either way, they can't top the Joker for pure insanity, so they shouldn't try. Next villain should either be a vigilante gone bad, or a highly intelligent, cunning villain of some kind.

[seriousfic.livejournal.com]

Having her be an anti-hero would be pushing it (though the Nolanverse is darker and edgier, so, you know, flip a coin), but flat-out villainy would be pretty rapealicious. As one of the BOP, she's cooled down considerably and I don't think she's ever directly killed anyone.

[milleniumrex.livejournal.com]

Ugh, yeah. The current mini is awful, then. She's killing mobsters left and right.

[rdfox.livejournal.com]

Actually, I think there's one person who could pull off a hidden-in-the-shadows Joker so well that you'd almost believe it was Ledger, shot before his death. AND would be a total nerdgasm for those of us who grew up on the Timmverse version of Batman.

Yes, I think Mark Hamill could, with proper makeup, lots of time to practice the voice, and creative lighting, pull it off.

However, I'd recommend saving it for Batman *4*. Have Batman 3 be mainly a Two-Face movie. However, to drum up massive interest for the fourth one, do a post-credits scene with Joker--who might not even have any lines--in his cell at Arkham when his new attending psychiatrist introduces herself. "Hello, Mr. Joker. Since you (insert horrible fate here) Doctor Bartholomew, I'm going to be your new psychiatrist. I'm Doctor Quinzelle." Cut to black, roll rating card.

[lurkslikefox.livejournal.com]

Was Harvey Dent dead at the end of this film? Cos the first time I saw it, I didn't thinki he was. But then the second time, I thought that it'd be kinda hard for them to keep his bigtime crazyness quiet if he wasn't, and that when you see Gordon talking outbout him after, It looks like it's his funeral that's being talked at. What do you think?