Rebooting Spider-Man
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seriousficSometimes, I get this weird feeling that people from Scans_Daily are hanging out here. Not, like, trolling me or anything paranoid like that, but that there are people who are interested in my take on the news and they come here. Narcissistic of me, I know, but I recognize a few names. But guys, if you're all that interested in my commentary, I do have sockpuppets.
lol j/k... OR AM I?
Anyway, you're going to love this post. I was thinking about the Spider-Man reboot yesterday... this was possibly more than the people doing the reboot have done... and I was thinking of the how so far, the changes they've made to justify a reboot have lacked rhyme or reason.
1. Mechanical webshooters - I'm sure the diehard fans appreciate this (and then immediately go back to Raimi's films, where maybe Peter is a mutant freak, but at least he doesn't dress like a Korean knock-off of himself), but objectively, how Spider-Man shoots web really isn't as important as the fact that he does. I mean, as long as you don't have Spider-Man being raped and then giving birth to himself to justify organic webshooters, it's a pretty minor change.
2. Gwen Stacy - Okay, so one of the things the movies haven't dwelled much on is the Peter/MJ/Gwen triangle, one of the more beloved eras in Spider-Man history (at least among certain comic book writers... who then insist that Peter is a lovable loser who can't win for trying. Yes, pursued by two beautiful women, I would love that "Parker luck."). But in the reboot, there isn't any MJ. So they're just swapping out her for Gwen. Unfortunately, the Raimi trilogy's Mary-Jane was already an amalgam of Gwen and Mary-Jane. And what stories can you really do with Gwen that haven't already been done with MJ?
Well, there's the Death of Captain Stacy, but let's be honest... that's a little bit of an idiot plot. Even in Ultimate Spider-Man, in retelling that plot, they mostly ended up deconstructing it. All Peter has to do to solve that one is get Gwen alone and say "Hey, Spider-Man didn't kill your father, and I know because I'm Spider-Man." Beyond that, anyone who keeps believing a fucking superhero just up and murdered their father for no reason is being willfully ignorant; not a good trait in a love interest.
3. Costume - If we get to the point where you have to change a costume that literally hasn't been changed for fifty years to set apart your movie from the last series -- that's not good.
So, what are some things they could've done to set apart Spider-Man from... Spider-Man? Thinking caps on.
1. Felicia as endgame - I know I'm a shipper, but Peter/Felicia does have a pretty sizable fanbase. And it's an entirely different set of issues then you'd get with Peter and a normal girl. I mean, tell me you can't get good drama out of someone who's dating Spider-Man and has an "ehh" reaction to Peter Parker.
Of course, Batman may have eaten Spider-Man's shorts here by featuring Catwoman, but archetypes aside, Felicia and Selina are entirely different characters. Felicia is, after all, a heiress who started stealing as a way to connect with her dead father and for the thrills, who then fell in embarrassingly gooey love with Spider-Man and, now reformed, seems to flitter between different superhero gigs like a private security firm, a detective agency, and one or two superhero teams (almost as if she were bored and seeking thrills).
Selina is an orphan who took up stealing to survive (and even if we discount her being a prostitute, she was never well-off) and continues as a sort of social justice, has a pathological aversion to dependence (in contrast to Felicia, who more than anything would like to be Spidey's girl), and ends up as a vigilante to protect the lower-class neighborhood she lives in. Not to mention the universes they inhabit (Spider-Man and Batman's) and the supporting casts they're in are different as night and day.
I mean, just look at the fancasting. Catwoman -- you're thinking someone slinky like Eva Green or Marion Cotillard. Black Cat -- you're thinking someone a bit more aggressive and brassy (not in the Golden Girls way) like Mila Kunis. And then you're thinking, hey, maybe if they meet, EvaGreen!Catwoman and MilaKunis!Black Cat would have this spark of attraction...
And then they meet Princess Amidala...
2. An overarching story - Raimi's films were very Silver Age in that aside from the soap opera aspects, they were pretty episodic. Spider-Man meets the freak of the week, Spider-Man beats the freak of the week. A big change-up would just be to go into the Ultimate stuff, where Peter has an entire legacy related to the Venom symbiote, and Norman Osborn is a Big Bad manipulating things from behind the scenes. I'm pretty sure they're planning something like this already, since you can't make a movie these days without having plans for sequels, prequels, and a web series.
3. The mystical side of Spider-Man from the JMS run - Hey, I'm just saying it's an option. (So, if Spider-Man has so many animal-themed villains because he's a true "totem" and they're pretenders, does that mean Squirrel Girl has an irrational hatred of him? Or is she an actual totem? If she met Rhino, would he just be really peeved at her for no reason, even though she's Squirrel Girl?)
4. Tell it from Mary-Jane's perspective - If you have to do a reboot again, and go through the whole rigmarole of "Uncle Ben, no!", you might as well tell it from the perspective of MJ, and Emma Stone is a talented enough performer to carry a movie (although not talented enough to make Gwen Stacy interesting. To be fair, Meryl Streep isn't that talented. In fact, she said "I'd rather spend two hours singing ABBA songs."). In the comics, Spider-Man Loves Mary-Jane did pretty well, and the Twilight books at least prove this kind of female-driven narrative can find an audience (even though replacing Edward Cullen in that equation with Spider-Man is an improvement in everything but sparkliness). Then at the end of the first act, MJ accidentally discovers Peter is Spider-Man, ala 616, and starts trying to get close to Peter Parker. Hijinx ensue.
You could put even more of an emphasis on MJ by having her be in a love triangle with Peter and the villain... say, Harry Osborn. He becomes the Goblin, Peter accidentally kills him, and now Norman has a vendetta against Spider-Man that'll carry us through at least a few sequels.
5. Donald Glover as Spider-Man - I can't see it, but imagine the shit I'd get if I mentioned Morlun and not this guy.
6. The aforementioned Peter/MJ/Gwen love triangle - Part of the fun of a reboot is you can just skip the boring crap we've seen before. So, start the movie with Gwen as Peter's best friend-and-maybe-something-more and have MJ move in on him some. Then at the end, with Gwen dead, MJ slips the party-girl schtick to comfort him (another good reason for skipping the Uncle Ben stuff. How many of Peter's loved ones do you want to die in a family film? I mean, there's gotta be a limit. For me, it's Watership Down). Since this is a Mary-Jane that hasn't really been seen before, you could get some mileage from her own choice between responsibility and irresponsibility.
lol j/k... OR AM I?
Anyway, you're going to love this post. I was thinking about the Spider-Man reboot yesterday... this was possibly more than the people doing the reboot have done... and I was thinking of the how so far, the changes they've made to justify a reboot have lacked rhyme or reason.
1. Mechanical webshooters - I'm sure the diehard fans appreciate this (and then immediately go back to Raimi's films, where maybe Peter is a mutant freak, but at least he doesn't dress like a Korean knock-off of himself), but objectively, how Spider-Man shoots web really isn't as important as the fact that he does. I mean, as long as you don't have Spider-Man being raped and then giving birth to himself to justify organic webshooters, it's a pretty minor change.
2. Gwen Stacy - Okay, so one of the things the movies haven't dwelled much on is the Peter/MJ/Gwen triangle, one of the more beloved eras in Spider-Man history (at least among certain comic book writers... who then insist that Peter is a lovable loser who can't win for trying. Yes, pursued by two beautiful women, I would love that "Parker luck."). But in the reboot, there isn't any MJ. So they're just swapping out her for Gwen. Unfortunately, the Raimi trilogy's Mary-Jane was already an amalgam of Gwen and Mary-Jane. And what stories can you really do with Gwen that haven't already been done with MJ?
Well, there's the Death of Captain Stacy, but let's be honest... that's a little bit of an idiot plot. Even in Ultimate Spider-Man, in retelling that plot, they mostly ended up deconstructing it. All Peter has to do to solve that one is get Gwen alone and say "Hey, Spider-Man didn't kill your father, and I know because I'm Spider-Man." Beyond that, anyone who keeps believing a fucking superhero just up and murdered their father for no reason is being willfully ignorant; not a good trait in a love interest.
3. Costume - If we get to the point where you have to change a costume that literally hasn't been changed for fifty years to set apart your movie from the last series -- that's not good.
So, what are some things they could've done to set apart Spider-Man from... Spider-Man? Thinking caps on.
1. Felicia as endgame - I know I'm a shipper, but Peter/Felicia does have a pretty sizable fanbase. And it's an entirely different set of issues then you'd get with Peter and a normal girl. I mean, tell me you can't get good drama out of someone who's dating Spider-Man and has an "ehh" reaction to Peter Parker.
Of course, Batman may have eaten Spider-Man's shorts here by featuring Catwoman, but archetypes aside, Felicia and Selina are entirely different characters. Felicia is, after all, a heiress who started stealing as a way to connect with her dead father and for the thrills, who then fell in embarrassingly gooey love with Spider-Man and, now reformed, seems to flitter between different superhero gigs like a private security firm, a detective agency, and one or two superhero teams (almost as if she were bored and seeking thrills).
Selina is an orphan who took up stealing to survive (and even if we discount her being a prostitute, she was never well-off) and continues as a sort of social justice, has a pathological aversion to dependence (in contrast to Felicia, who more than anything would like to be Spidey's girl), and ends up as a vigilante to protect the lower-class neighborhood she lives in. Not to mention the universes they inhabit (Spider-Man and Batman's) and the supporting casts they're in are different as night and day.
I mean, just look at the fancasting. Catwoman -- you're thinking someone slinky like Eva Green or Marion Cotillard. Black Cat -- you're thinking someone a bit more aggressive and brassy (not in the Golden Girls way) like Mila Kunis. And then you're thinking, hey, maybe if they meet, EvaGreen!Catwoman and MilaKunis!Black Cat would have this spark of attraction...
And then they meet Princess Amidala...
2. An overarching story - Raimi's films were very Silver Age in that aside from the soap opera aspects, they were pretty episodic. Spider-Man meets the freak of the week, Spider-Man beats the freak of the week. A big change-up would just be to go into the Ultimate stuff, where Peter has an entire legacy related to the Venom symbiote, and Norman Osborn is a Big Bad manipulating things from behind the scenes. I'm pretty sure they're planning something like this already, since you can't make a movie these days without having plans for sequels, prequels, and a web series.
3. The mystical side of Spider-Man from the JMS run - Hey, I'm just saying it's an option. (So, if Spider-Man has so many animal-themed villains because he's a true "totem" and they're pretenders, does that mean Squirrel Girl has an irrational hatred of him? Or is she an actual totem? If she met Rhino, would he just be really peeved at her for no reason, even though she's Squirrel Girl?)
4. Tell it from Mary-Jane's perspective - If you have to do a reboot again, and go through the whole rigmarole of "Uncle Ben, no!", you might as well tell it from the perspective of MJ, and Emma Stone is a talented enough performer to carry a movie (although not talented enough to make Gwen Stacy interesting. To be fair, Meryl Streep isn't that talented. In fact, she said "I'd rather spend two hours singing ABBA songs."). In the comics, Spider-Man Loves Mary-Jane did pretty well, and the Twilight books at least prove this kind of female-driven narrative can find an audience (even though replacing Edward Cullen in that equation with Spider-Man is an improvement in everything but sparkliness). Then at the end of the first act, MJ accidentally discovers Peter is Spider-Man, ala 616, and starts trying to get close to Peter Parker. Hijinx ensue.
You could put even more of an emphasis on MJ by having her be in a love triangle with Peter and the villain... say, Harry Osborn. He becomes the Goblin, Peter accidentally kills him, and now Norman has a vendetta against Spider-Man that'll carry us through at least a few sequels.
5. Donald Glover as Spider-Man - I can't see it, but imagine the shit I'd get if I mentioned Morlun and not this guy.
6. The aforementioned Peter/MJ/Gwen love triangle - Part of the fun of a reboot is you can just skip the boring crap we've seen before. So, start the movie with Gwen as Peter's best friend-and-maybe-something-more and have MJ move in on him some. Then at the end, with Gwen dead, MJ slips the party-girl schtick to comfort him (another good reason for skipping the Uncle Ben stuff. How many of Peter's loved ones do you want to die in a family film? I mean, there's gotta be a limit. For me, it's Watership Down). Since this is a Mary-Jane that hasn't really been seen before, you could get some mileage from her own choice between responsibility and irresponsibility.
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