DC universe: Starfire
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seriousficSo I talked before about the idea of Starfire being a Green Lantern, the public defender of Gotham, while in a relationship with Dick Grayson and supposedly hunting the vigilante Nightwing.
Now seems like a good time to revisit that. To expand a little, it's going to really easy to portray these characters sexually, but in a way that isn't demeaning or exploitative. Dick Grayson has an ass you can bounce a Batarang off, Koriand'r has the body of Lady Death and the personality of Olivia Wilde.
You just never know when a gif of Olivia Wilde dancing will come in handy.
Spend a page on Nightwing and Starfire (Star Lantern? Green Fire?) taking a moment out of their nightly patrols for a midnight rendezvous on a lonely rooftop, it's going to be sexier than a whole comic of Kory spilling out of a bikini and being a Vivid Video nymphomaniac.
Buuut... there should be more to the character than sex. For starters, you could always bring Mar'i Grayson into things. Kory getting pregnant would suddenly put the pressure cooker on all the natural Gotham City tensions, and encourage people to start looking for an endgame. Think the current Sons of Anarchy storyline with Jax trying to get out of SAM CRO. Maybe Dick could start to seriously think of making overtures to Jason, even if it does compromise his morals. Although my idea of "rebooting" Catwoman is to have her as a single mother, raising Helen Kyle (no points for guessing who the father is) with some help from Holly, so that might be too many babies in the mix.
And hey, as long as we're making Kory a slut, DC Comics, why not do it in an ethical, positive way?
Okay, as a complete and total nerd, I can pinpoint that as from the issue where Raven falls in love with Dick and Kory says "threesome y/y?" and Dick goes "n/n" and so instead Kory takes Raven to a deserted tropical beach where they spend a day swimming around naked, bathing under waterfalls, and "renewing their friendship."
I had a point there... right, pretty much throughout the Perez run, Starfire's been someone with a polygamous, aggressive nature who compromises that to be with Dick. Only the idea here would be that Dick/Kory have cleared those initial hurdles and formed a much healthier relationship (since Dick, in this universe, hasn't spent years pursuing Barbara instead of working out issues with Kory). Now, I know there's this joke of Dick being a man-slut, but my head-canon is a bit more conservative. He comes from a religious family, he was raised by the outright Puritanical Batman, and by all accounts he's a one-girl guy to the point of being a serial monogamist.
Enter Donna. She and Kory pretty clearly had something going on (hey, if we're going to say that Tim and Kon were having sex throughout the 90s, give me this one). So there's this subtext. Kory understands that Dick isn't a Tamaranean, he's happy with just her and he would feel his relationship with her is less special if she had casual sexual encounters with others. However, he also understands that Kory has something special with Donna. In fact, as a Bat, he's fatalistic enough to plan ahead and think "When I get killed, Kory will have Donna, so I get to have the relationship and not worry about hurting someone with my inevitable death" (yeah, it's fucked up, but that's Gotham for you). Bullet points!
1. Keep in mind, this isn't the male fantasy of two chicks being utterly devoted to Dick (pun intended). Kory loves Dick; she also loves Donna. Donna is friends with Dick, but it's platonic. He is, at the end of the day, a pretty conservative guy and he doesn't feel the need to put himself in Kory and Donna's relationship or bring Donna into his and Kory's relationship. Kory's the girl for him. End of the story. Call him repressed if you like, but this is where my own hang-ups come in and I don't want to spend too much time 'Judd Winicking' on who's sleeping with who. Fanfic is all well and good, but I really don't want to canonically know if Luke Cage likes anal sex.
2. The above, however, would mostly be communicated by subtext, getting crap past the radar. Which isn't to say Kory and Donna would be hugging and saying how special they are to each other when Dick and Kory are getting penetrated on-panel; all couples would have the same PG-13, fade-to-black depiction, whether they be gay, straight, lesbian, or whatever. Not only would it save time to not spell out the sexual dynamics between three characters, it would also be a little more appropriate for the children in the audience. So if a given fan wants to think that sometimes Dick is the meat in a Donna-Kory sandwich, let 'em. If they think Roy gets in on that too, fine. The important thing is that Dick and Kory have a relationship and it works.
3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like a pretty respectful way of depicting two attractive women being queer and also having a m/f/f relationship.
Now seems like a good time to revisit that. To expand a little, it's going to really easy to portray these characters sexually, but in a way that isn't demeaning or exploitative. Dick Grayson has an ass you can bounce a Batarang off, Koriand'r has the body of Lady Death and the personality of Olivia Wilde.
You just never know when a gif of Olivia Wilde dancing will come in handy.
Spend a page on Nightwing and Starfire (Star Lantern? Green Fire?) taking a moment out of their nightly patrols for a midnight rendezvous on a lonely rooftop, it's going to be sexier than a whole comic of Kory spilling out of a bikini and being a Vivid Video nymphomaniac.
Buuut... there should be more to the character than sex. For starters, you could always bring Mar'i Grayson into things. Kory getting pregnant would suddenly put the pressure cooker on all the natural Gotham City tensions, and encourage people to start looking for an endgame. Think the current Sons of Anarchy storyline with Jax trying to get out of SAM CRO. Maybe Dick could start to seriously think of making overtures to Jason, even if it does compromise his morals. Although my idea of "rebooting" Catwoman is to have her as a single mother, raising Helen Kyle (no points for guessing who the father is) with some help from Holly, so that might be too many babies in the mix.
And hey, as long as we're making Kory a slut, DC Comics, why not do it in an ethical, positive way?
Okay, as a complete and total nerd, I can pinpoint that as from the issue where Raven falls in love with Dick and Kory says "threesome y/y?" and Dick goes "n/n" and so instead Kory takes Raven to a deserted tropical beach where they spend a day swimming around naked, bathing under waterfalls, and "renewing their friendship."
I had a point there... right, pretty much throughout the Perez run, Starfire's been someone with a polygamous, aggressive nature who compromises that to be with Dick. Only the idea here would be that Dick/Kory have cleared those initial hurdles and formed a much healthier relationship (since Dick, in this universe, hasn't spent years pursuing Barbara instead of working out issues with Kory). Now, I know there's this joke of Dick being a man-slut, but my head-canon is a bit more conservative. He comes from a religious family, he was raised by the outright Puritanical Batman, and by all accounts he's a one-girl guy to the point of being a serial monogamist.
Enter Donna. She and Kory pretty clearly had something going on (hey, if we're going to say that Tim and Kon were having sex throughout the 90s, give me this one). So there's this subtext. Kory understands that Dick isn't a Tamaranean, he's happy with just her and he would feel his relationship with her is less special if she had casual sexual encounters with others. However, he also understands that Kory has something special with Donna. In fact, as a Bat, he's fatalistic enough to plan ahead and think "When I get killed, Kory will have Donna, so I get to have the relationship and not worry about hurting someone with my inevitable death" (yeah, it's fucked up, but that's Gotham for you). Bullet points!
1. Keep in mind, this isn't the male fantasy of two chicks being utterly devoted to Dick (pun intended). Kory loves Dick; she also loves Donna. Donna is friends with Dick, but it's platonic. He is, at the end of the day, a pretty conservative guy and he doesn't feel the need to put himself in Kory and Donna's relationship or bring Donna into his and Kory's relationship. Kory's the girl for him. End of the story. Call him repressed if you like, but this is where my own hang-ups come in and I don't want to spend too much time 'Judd Winicking' on who's sleeping with who. Fanfic is all well and good, but I really don't want to canonically know if Luke Cage likes anal sex.
2. The above, however, would mostly be communicated by subtext, getting crap past the radar. Which isn't to say Kory and Donna would be hugging and saying how special they are to each other when Dick and Kory are getting penetrated on-panel; all couples would have the same PG-13, fade-to-black depiction, whether they be gay, straight, lesbian, or whatever. Not only would it save time to not spell out the sexual dynamics between three characters, it would also be a little more appropriate for the children in the audience. So if a given fan wants to think that sometimes Dick is the meat in a Donna-Kory sandwich, let 'em. If they think Roy gets in on that too, fine. The important thing is that Dick and Kory have a relationship and it works.
3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like a pretty respectful way of depicting two attractive women being queer and also having a m/f/f relationship.
