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seriousfic) wrote2011-10-01 06:55 pm
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Woo, the early 20th century, when everything was awesome!
Look, guys, Superman started off as a vaguely socialist vigilante (socialist means "arresting people who are breaking the law," right?) and Wonder Woman started off as a walking bondage fetish. Who cares if those are traits that have been phased out through decades of storytelling and experimentation, to become a character that is "popular" or "recognizable"? Every character should be like they are the very first time they're presented. That's why everyone hates shows where characters grow and change. Mention "character development" to any writer, you'll be lucky to get out of there without a split lip. Why do you think people watch Glee?
So, Batman should clearly kill criminals, with guns, and not have a Robin, since that's the way he started out. And James Bond should hate women, gays, and minorities, since that's the way he started out.
So, Batman should clearly kill criminals, with guns, and not have a Robin, since that's the way he started out. And James Bond should hate women, gays, and minorities, since that's the way he started out.
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Besides Glenmorgan is a rich white guy so I doubt Cheney would agree it's okay there. As for the inadmissability, I think you have to invoke your rights. Meaning Glenmorgan could say something like "at least in jail I'll be away from the lunatic alien." and confess and plead guilty.
You look at fictional plots, what heroes do to bad guys for various reasons, loved ones in danger, some massive threat and people have been fine with the heroes doing whatever they have to to the villains. Bush's policies, besides being real, were they were torture at policy and as pragmatism. Tell an average person that a US soldier stuck someone's head into a toilet repeatedly to try to extract info on his own and the reaction would probably be far different than the same soldier being ordered to do it using a specially designed device. Popular opinion or at least popular fantasy in America is "You've wronged me or someone I care about. I get to fuck you up, now."
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It's not pure intimidation, seeing as he actually dropped the guy. That's an escalation from "threats".
>I'm sure Batman has held mooks over the edge of a building before the 00's.
"Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Dark Knight."
Also, the closest parallel Batman has to this is actually dropping someone in order to break their legs in Dark Knight. One of the themes of the film, which is considered one of the darkest versions of Batman, is that if he goes much farther, he's going to end up actively killing people. In this case, it was a few stories, not a skyscraper.
>You look at fictional plots, what heroes do to bad guys for various reasons, loved ones in danger, some massive threat and people have been fine with the heroes doing whatever they have to to the villains.
I...I don't think you realize who you're dealing with here.
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As for the fact that he dropped him.... he's Superman. He can catch him, I know he can catch him and I'm not going to forget it just to allow the writer to increase the drama or to let myself get upset about the morality. I don't enter stories to that degree.
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Also, Morrison has stated, in interviews, that he honestly believes Superman is right in what he does. That's right, Morrison thinks Superman should drop suspects off of buildings to scare them for his own sadistic pleasure. This isn't "entering stories", this is the writer's openly stated intent. I don't think anyone should stick their fingers in their ears about it.
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Superman is a great deal different from real world people. He can catch the people he drops off buildings with no harm to them. He the most reliable witness in the world. It just seems like a lot of trouble to empathize with a character that is shown no positive traits. It's like "oh, he's a human being, he must have this or that, or whatever." But it's fiction. They're created characters. The guy could be a bigger monster than the devil. And within the confines of the story he's probably feeling as close to the helplessness he'd inflict on others right there at that moment.